Mike Safo

Joined today by Thor Pedersen, the only person in history to visit every country in the world without flying. He's also the author of the awesome new book, The Impossible Journey: An Incredible Voyage Through Every Country in the World Without Flying.Thor opens up about what it really took to complete this one-of-a-kind odyssey, a journey he thought would take four years but ended up lasting a decade. We dive into the emotional and logistical challenges of traveling overland to all 203 countries, the complicated personal relationships he had to navigate along the way, and the deep reflections that shaped his book.Thor shares why this isn't your typical travel book, no party stories or Instagram chatter, but a raw, honest look at the highs, lows, and everything in between. We talk about:What inspired him to start this journey (including a life-changing trip to Southeast Asia)His time working for the United NationsStruggles with visas, malaria, loneliness, and even being stuck in Hong Kong for two years during