Suncast

“Even the most unsinkable ship can sink.”That’s Trevor Noah reflecting on the fragility of democracy, and he’s not just here to make you laugh—he’s here to challenge how you think. At CLEANPOWER 2025, Trevor delivers a brilliant, unscripted dialogue with Jason Grumet, the Chief Executive Officer of American Clean Power, unpacking how stories shape our national psyche—and what that means for the clean energy movement.This episode is full of surprises. From philosophical riffs on the social power of red lights to how a “thank you” at the front door can restore social cohesion, Trevor delivers a masterful discussion on systems thinking, imagination, and empathy.Most importantly? He lays out a quietly radical idea: stop selling people what you want—sell them what they need. Clean energy has a messaging problem, and it’s time we stop preaching morals and start aligning incentives.You won’t hear a more thought-provoking or entertaining take on American politics, trust, and the future of our energy s