Politics With Michelle Grattan

The findings of the inquiry by Justice Paul Brereton into the misconduct – including allegations of murder of non-combatants and mistreatment of prisoners – by Australian special forces in Afghanistan are released on Thursday.  Scott Morrison last week warned the findings will be "difficult and hard news" for Australians.  The leadership of the Australian Defence Force will drive a program of reform in the wake of findings that put a deep blemish on what the ADF and most Australians see as the nation's proud military tradition. Allan Behm, from The Australia Institute, an expert on defence and security issues and a former senior public servant and ministerial adviser, joined the podcast on the eve of the release to discuss the background to the report.  "I think it is going to be quite shocking for many of us. And I think...we will feel a sense of shame." "It will get many people to think about issues of moral hazard. It will certainly get people to think about what kind of administrative and organisational a