Service Design Show

How can you enhance your collaboration skills? One of the charms of service design is that you always need to involve people from many different disciplines to achieve meaningful outcomes. And as the challenges that you're working on become increasingly complex, effective collaboration becomes more crucial than ever. However, not all forms of collaboration are created equal... Understanding the differences between them can make the distinction between a smooth journey with great results and a road filled with difficulties and frustration. You may have come across terms like interdisciplinarity, multidisciplinarity, or even transdisciplinarity within the context of service design. These concepts represent different ways of working together, and chances are you are already engaged in one of them, whether consciously or not. To shed light on these concepts, I had the opportunity to learn from Elrica Degirmen, our guest in this week's episode. Elrica explains the significant differences between these ter

Is design facing a leadership crisis? If you’re nodding in agreement, you’re not alone. As service design professionals, we know the power of our craft to create meaningful change. Yet, we often struggle to find the support necessary that allows us to have a long-lasting impact. And when those around us in leadership roles fail to advocate for the value of design, progress stagnates, and burnout becomes all too common. But here’s the good news. You can lead the change today, regardless of your job title or position. So, how do you start leading in an authentic way that aligns with your values and the realities of business? Our latest guest, Sarah Clearwater, interviewed design leaders to find out. She shares her insights in this week's episode with us. If you want to grow the impact design has on your organization and are tired of waiting for others to pick up the torch, tune in to this conversation! Yes, taking on a leadership role can be daunting. But what’s the alternative… Keep pushing for positive

What does it take to unlock the full potential of service design? That was the burning question in my recent conversation with Jung-Joo (JJ) Lee. As you know, service design's true value goes beyond delivering specific artifacts or running workshops. However, the prevalent narrative around service design in recent years suggests that it is a codified process with specific outcomes that can be applied to almost any situation. While this storyline might make it easier to initially "sell" service design, it doesn't consider the systemic value being created, the need to contextualize service design to fit diverse cultures, and the time it takes to deliver meaningful outcomes. When we stick to this one-dimensional narrative, we end up doing service design on a surface level, wondering why the underlying issues we're trying to address remain unimpacted. The longer we maintain this approach, the greater the risk of service design being dismissed as another short-lived fad: "We've t

As service designers, we often face the challenge of sustaining momentum for change after the initial excitement of a project. It's easy to get caught up in the research and ideation phase, but true success only comes from making a tangible impact on our customers. If you've ever struggled with getting your insights to stick, you're not alone. Recently, Lisa Salamone hosted a session in our Circle alliance where members shared their experiences on sustaining momentum. We discussed practical tips on how to increase the chances that people follow through on your work. By applying these tips and strategies, we can ensure service design doesn't become mere "corporate entertainment" and makes a real difference. So I invited Lisa for a chat on the Show to share the key takeaways from that session with you. One thing that stuck with me from this conversation was the importance of how you start a project. Going slow to go fast is crucial. Enjoy the episode, and keep making a positive

Have you ever thought about... what a sustainable service looks like? Nowadays, we have a pretty good idea of what sustainability means for products, but I would argue not so much for services. The language around sustainability resides very much in our material world. We talk about carbon emissions, reducing waste, and moving towards circularity. But services aren't made up of atoms. Our design "materials" are things like time, experiences, relationships, processes, etc. So this brings us back to the question of how do you design services that serve our planet just as much as they serve our organizations and customers? In this episode, Anna van der Togt, Lead Sustainability at Livework, shares how they approach this topic. Join us to explore what sustainable insurance might look like and how it would change the relationship between service providers and their customers. We also discuss how to get your clients to open up about investing in sustainable services. Because most of them won't be

How do you scale service design from 10 to 100 inside an organization? That’s what you’ll hear in this conversation with Doug Powell. But first, let me tell you a personal story. My car was leaking oil. It started with small drips but got worse over time. The idea of having to take the entire engine apart wasn’t something I was looking forward to. So we tried to “solve” the issue by tightening nuts, double-checking every seal, and adding fresh oil. As you might have guessed, the problem of course didn’t go away. The car still drove, but my driveway was getting messier by the day, and the fact that I knew that I wouldn’t want to take it for a long drive didn’t sit well with me. So after putting up with the band-aid solutions for a while, it was time to do the unavoidable and take the engine apart. It was messy, it wasn’t cheap, but it had to be done. The good news is that I’m still driving that car today. Similarly, many organizations have “leaking engines” in the form of career frameworks that have grown

I almost can't believe it... Colleagues for the entire org are lining up and asking for service design. That's what Niamh Parsley said when I asked her about the biggest change that happened in the last two years.  Niamh is the Senior Design Manager at the world's #1 music streaming service, Spotify. When Niamh joined Spotify, only she and one colleague were waving the service design flag. But today, over 50 design professionals across every area of the company are spreading the practice. How did they do it without hiring an army of service designers? In this episode, Niamh shares how they grew service design inside Spotify, the challenges they faced, and their goals for the upcoming years. You'll learn about the critical role of the internal community, the breakthrough caused by the career framework, and surprising tactics that made service design famous. If you're on a similar journey to grow demand for service design within your organization, you'll definitely want to hear Niamh's insights! I'm gratef

I'm sure you know them. Services that made you smile, made you feel special, made you feel... human. Unlike the bland and ordinary services that quickly fade from our memory, they are the services that we remember and look forward to. The secret behind these exceptional services is the emotional connection they create with their users. But creating this emotional connection isn't easy. Luckily, there's a proven "tool" that can help you do it - rituals. Think for a moment about the rituals in your life, whether it's your morning coffee or your weekly dinner club. These moments are important to us, big or small. And our lives are filled with these moments. So, why not design our services with these moments in mind? But how... In today's episode, we're joined by Ted Matthews, a researcher, and expert in rituals as a tool for service design. Ted believes that rituals offer us the opportunity to design memorable services that make a lasting impact on the lives of our users. In this episode, we explore the power of

Okay, take a guess... Which services are probably the most challenging to design? I argue that it's the services that your users don't explicitly ask for. Wait, what?! Who designs services that their users don't ask for? Well, your government does. A lot. Think of public services like collecting taxes, keeping your street clean, and providing quality education, and helping to alleviate poverty. These are often the "forgotten" services that are so important in order to maintain the wellbeing of our cities and countries. It’s one thing to make sure these services are available, but a completely different challenge to improve the experiences of these forgotten services.  Our guest, Sally Halls, has taken on this challenge and is using service design to bridge the gap between citizens and policy-makers.  In this episode, we'll explore how to design services that people haven’t explicitly asked for, how to bring the public's voice into policy-making, and the impact service design professionals can have o

What is the secret... How do you get non-designers to appreciate the value of service design? It’s also a question that keeps coming back over and over again. And I get it. Clients hold budgets, internal stakeholders have decision-making power, and you need your colleagues to pull projects off. If you don't get these people on board with your work, you risk paying a high price. However, when you know how to play the game well, you increase your chance of doing more meaningful and fulfilling work. Fortunately, selling service design to those around you isn’t some form of dark magic. It's simply a skill that can be learned and mastered. There are repeatable processes, proven frameworks, and dozens of practical tools to help you. Helping you get up to speed with all these tools, frameworks, and processes is what the Selling Service Design with Confidence program does. Recently, a group of service design professionals completed the program, and I invited them to share their key takeaways with you on the Show. In

Journey Mapping is, without a doubt, one of the most important tools we use. We spend a lot of time and effort to create the most impactful maps we can.  It’s all part of the job: * Dozens of workshops * Hours doing user research * And weeks of sensemaking. The perfect journey map. Success! But what comes after the map?  Unfortunately, in most cases, it’s used... and then stowed away.  The map becomes single-use artifacts, forgotten. Used once, then too difficult to keep updated for when a new design challenge comes along. But it doesn’t have to be that way. And this brings us to our guest for this week's episode: Florian Vollmer. I dare to say that Florian has cracked the code when it comes to managing journeys on a large scale. How large? His team works with 100+ journey maps and 500+ innovation opportunities globally. I couldn’t imagine it was possible when I first heard that. But today, Florian not only brings our stowed-away journeys back to life but integrates them with a hundred more. Ef

Journey mapping is reaching its limits. Sure, journey maps and mapping work fine at a small project or team level.  But it quickly breaks down when you want to organize around the journey, at a bigger company scale. In order to do this, you need something that goes beyond mapping. But before we dig into what that is, let's look at why journey mapping breaks down: Everyone has their way of doing it; there is no standard. It's hard to get an overview across multiple journeys. Identifying and prioritizing opportunities is a challenge. Tracking progress and impact isn't part of the process. Adoption slows down as most tools aren't made for business users. And many other things... Now, this might sound strange, but I think these are good challenges to have. The fact that these challenges are becoming more pressing is a sign. A sign that the demand for a journey-centric way of working is growing inside companies. Something that we've been hoping and advocating for all these years. So what is the ne

Imagine that you'd get the opportunity to join an intimate dinner party.  A dinner where you're accompanied by some of the brightest people in our field. And where you'd get the chance to explore a thought-provoking topic. Would you enjoy the evening? That question was going through my mind when I was thinking about how the Circle community should feel. Now, almost two years after the first "dinner party" at the Circle, it's time to take score. So I sat down with two members of the Circle for a fun and open-hearted conversation. In this episode, you'll hear: How spontaneous conversations help you to become a better professional. What the value is of exploring the unknown-unknown together. Why Slack channels don't work, and how this community is different. What the future has in store for the Circle. I hope that this episode will inspire you to join, grow or maybe even start your own professional community. Because we all should eat more often together :) - Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to

I have a family with two small kids who are quickly growing up. The challenge many parents, including me, encountered was... how do we keep our home somewhat clean and tidy. My initial and naive strategy was to pick up everything left behind. But this strategy breaks down pretty quickly, as you can imagine. So then I tried to distribute the responsibility to everyone in the family. If everyone does their part, it should be a minor task, right? But of course, it didn't take long before I realized everyone had very different interpretations of what "clean and tidy" meant. At this point, it dawned on me that the only way to solve this challenge once and for all was by putting a clear plan in place that everyone would commit to.  Yes, I needed a "house-cleaning governance model" just with a better name of course :) And this brings us nicely to the topic of this week's episode: CX governance. Many CX initiatives start in small pockets of the organizations. This works well in the beginning, as it allows for sp

This can transform your business strategy... That's what I thought during my recent conversation with Indi Young. Indi recently published a book titled Time to Listen. Here's my summary of the book. It teaches you how to design services that are less harmful, more accessible, and in the end, better for business through the "simple" act of listening. Basically, transforming open and honest conversations with your customers into one of your most valuable assets. But if it's that easy, why isn't everyone doing it? Well, Indi argues that we first need to become better listeners. So what does that mean, and what is the path to get there? Can anyone do it, or is it a natural-born talent? You'll get all the answers in this episode. By the way, if you fear business stakeholders will disregard qualitative research through listening as subjective and anecdotal, you're in for a surprise! Enjoy the conversation. --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to episode 165 05:45 Who is Indi 07:00 Lightning round 11:15 Origin of the

Let's build a *system* of journey maps! Hold on there... do you know what you're getting yourself into? Journey maps are great. They help you align people, processes, and resources around your customers' needs. This leads to a more efficient organization, happier employees, and less frustrated customers. But as you might have experienced, journey maps also tend to spiral out of control pretty quickly. You start with a simple map that is adequate to get the job done. Then you slowly but surely start adding more data to the map. Your map, which was once a marvel of simplicity, now all of a sudden looks more like the manual of a nuclear power plant. So the time has come to break your giant journey map into smaller, more manageable pieces. It's time to move from a single journey map to a system of journey maps. The moment this thought goes through your mind, you've opened pandora's box. Many new questions arise... * Which parts of the system do you need to standardize? * Who will have the responsibility for keepi

You need to fail... Yes, I said it.  Because failure is the fastest way to success when you're innovating. But it's surprisingly hard to fail. And this is a major problem. Why, you ask? Well, in our service design practice, failure is part of prototyping. You have an idea, you create something, you try it in the real world, learn from what happened, and based on that, improve your solution to repeat this process. See what I did there? You try and learn, that's the key. Trying something, you actually hope that it's going to work out differently than you planned so that you can learn. But when things don't work out as planned, this is often perceived as... failure. And failure isn't what most organizations embrace or celebrate. The truth is that they fail at, well yeah, failing. There are many reasons for this, but maybe the biggest one is a lack of psychological safety. Here's the kicker... Scientific research has proven that the best-performing teams have the highest degree of psychological safety. So ho

When you asked me to play the piano, I can assure you that nothing close to music would come out. Would we, at that point, say that the piano is broken? That would be silly, right? Somehow, this is the typical approach when organizations bring in design. When design doesn't fully deliver on the expected outcomes, it's the process that is declared faulty.  Mauro Porcini is the Chief Design Officer at PepsiCo. In his career, he has seen many design-driven initiatives fail, and some succeed. This led him on the quest to find out what the differentiator is between the two. Can you guess the answer? This shouldn't surprise you by now; it's people. So if that's the case, what kind of people does it take to make design work? Well, Mauro decided to write a dedicated book about this with the inspiring title: The Human Side of Innovation. The book just got published, and I invited Mauro on the Show to share the key insights with you. This is a good one! We explored many ideas in this conversation, but one thing th

I'm sure you've heard this before... "You can't design for everyone." That's a fundamental principle in a good design process. In the end, design is all about making choices. And one of these choices is defining who you are designing for. But here's an interesting question: Can you design with a specific user in mind without excluding others?  This sounds a lot like a paradox, right? So why bother trying to solve it? Because if we don't, we are creating inequality and harm.  This isn't exclusive to but especially relevant when working with public services. You can't just always design for the "average" user or the one with the most money. So what can you do? Well, Lesley Ann Noel has made it her mission to help us design better futures for everyone. She has done many experiments in her role as a university professor to overcome this seeming paradox. And her findings are... pretty surprising, to say the least. She shares her story in this week's episode. After this conversation, it really resonated w

Think for a moment about a hard conversation you needed to have about a topic that really mattered to you. This could be a conversation at work or just in your private life. Now, what if... that conversation went down in your memory as exciting, productive, and fun? What if it almost felt like a game? Sounds too good to be true, right?  Well, according to Fred Dust, that's exactly what's possible and even what's necessary. According to Fred, we have almost entirely lost the ability to have hard conversations about important topics. We aren't having the conversations we need to have. And that's causing us a lot of trouble. Many conversations these days have become shallow, lack connection, and don't build shared understanding. But there's hope. There is a way out of this conversation crisis. We need and can design for better conversations. In his book Making Conversation, Fred shares why and how you do that. The book has been a huge inspiration source for me lately, so I just had to get Fred on the Show t